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Poster: Round Robin Date: Sep 18, 2010 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Head Count

Don't know a soul outside of the internet who likes the Dead. The only times I've met real live in the flesh deadheads is going to shows.

Out of curiosity, my question is, how many fans do you actually know?

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Poster: BobsShortShorts Date: Sep 18, 2010 11:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Just me and Bobs shorts....

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 18, 2010 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

I know 2 personally, my brother and my next-door neighbor at the office - he's been to 140 GD shows and about 30 JGB shows. My wife is patient, but cannot understand the endless songs.

The GD Facebook page has about 500,000 friends. Pretty substantial fan base.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 19, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

only TWO and one sadly moved away back East. After a couple of years here I felt me efforts to find a Deadhead - I mean someone like me who collects and trades tapes and has been to shows - was futile. Sounds cheesy but actually approached people at a Garcia tribute free concert they had up here. Went up to people with GD shirts on asking if they traded tapes and everyone looked at me like a freak. So one day I see someone on DNC who mentions Alaska and started talking. We agreed to go to a local Bluegrass festival, me making sure to meet somewhere neutral, and we've been friends ever since. Going on 12 years or more I believe.

Then another friend moved up here that I used to know down there. We've known each other for maybe 19 years

both huge fans like me who can discuss details and facts and listen to the band for hours, the kind of conversations that would generally get eye rolls from others after 5 minutes i bet

I didn't attend any shows with either but we've all three been there.

My wife fortunately tolerates and even likes quite a bit of the Dead. Didn't know squat about them before me except the general stuff and radio hits but now has a lot of respect for them and almost gets my spiritual connection to the band. Definitely realizes how deeper they go, that they're not just like any other band.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Sep 19, 2010 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

I know a few people who casually appreciate them- i.e., are fine if someone puts on "American Beauty" or even the occasional live tape. But as far as being really into collecting shows, being able to discern different eras and discuss the differences, listening to the Dead far more than any other band...not really, or at least not anymore. Now, when I was younger (late teens through early 20s) I was part of a small, loose collection of friends who were heads; we talked GD constantly, traded tapes and caught shows together when we could. But their level of enthusiasm gradually waned with the onset of adulthood. I suppose this probably was just a natural extension of music in general taking a back seat in our lives (when you're worried about not making that month's mortgage and you've got a sick two-year-old on your hands, you tend not to give a fuck which show has the longest "Dark Star".). In terms of the GD as an ongoing "hobby", I'm the last man standing among my old crowd; the only one "still doing the Grateful Dead thing" as a friend of mine put it. And even I'm not nearly as "into it" as I once was. But I guess that's hart of the reason I still come here- because no one else wants to talk about the GD for more than a minute or two.

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Poster: jds121291 Date: Sep 18, 2010 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

i've got 2 friends and 2 family members, everyone else cant stand them.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Sep 18, 2010 3:51pm
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2 friends, 2 siblings far away, and my own family (who waffle). Everyone else in my life appears to think it's a harmless but boring eccentricity.

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Sep 18, 2010 9:18pm
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Exactly. I have 1 friend that I would consider a real head, and 1 that is a casual fan. All of my friends kind of marvel at my collection of shows, and think of my love for the dead as amusing; but they definitely do not get it.

I hear people say all the time that they try to get into the dead, but from my point of view, it is not a choice........the dead either do or do not get into you...PERIOD

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 20, 2010 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Some of my friends are Deadheads

Lots of my friends like the Dead

my wife is impartial (she needs to be in the mood)

my girlfriend could be classified a Deadhead

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Wait a minute...I may be slow, but...?

Okay, can I count Miss D as "my girlfriend" cause then I'll be just like you; wife that tolerates, depending on mood, and "girlfriend" that likes them!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 20, 2010 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Unfortunately it is not that simple.

The Mrs informed me back in May that she no longer loves me and hasn't in a few years (though she tried). She initiated discussions concerning separation & divorce and told me I need to find a girlfriend. I was really bummed out most of the summer and then a few weeks ago met a really cool girl and so things are pretty complicated. Of course the Mrs. is completely in the loop and is happy for me and we are proceeding with a no fault divorce. We are also keeping the kids up to speed on everything; I believe that hiding the truth from the kids would be the worst as they really do pick up on everything and if we are not completely up-front would most certainly spoil their trust in us.

Apologize for the FB moment but think it's OK to share.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2010 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Holy Crap J?! How do I insert foot further?

I was sure you MEANT to say "old..." in front of girlfriend, and just forgot, like I'd do!

But, you were very polite, and I appreciate that...hang in there. Tough time, esp with the four...they, in some ways, matter the most.

Glad you have a gal too though.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 20, 2010 12:00pm
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Thanks

I'll try to keep the FB moments to a minimum. At least me and the Mrs agree that the Kids come first and we are going to do everything we can to keep the house so as not to disrupt the kids living situation.

Anyone near Babylon have a room for rent?

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Sep 20, 2010 5:15pm
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Tough situation J...
Hope all turns out for the best!!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 21, 2010 5:59am
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Thanks, it is tough

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Poster: jacofny Date: Sep 20, 2010 11:29am
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Dr.Phil has an opening for you for his next show. Good luck!

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 18, 2010 6:49pm
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2 younger brothers 1 sister,1 ex girlfriend and about 10 friends outside the web. 14!! :) 20 years ago that numero may have been double. people come and go.advance on to different trips :)

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Sep 20, 2010 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Great thread. I appreciate the personal comments. For me, after 25 years, my touring crew of about a dozen people is still intact. It helps that two of them are musicians and still gig regularly.

As to new people, here is a story from the past long weekend. I am in Abersoch, Wales at a cousin's wedding. On Friday, at a local pub for a pre-wedding bash with a room full of lawyers (a federal judge, a Canadian deputy minister etc.), I am chatting with the chairman of White & Case (a Wall Street megafirm) and, after his story about the Texas Rangers auction, out of nowhere, he mentions his latest trip to the Bay Area, the home of his favourite band the Grateful Dead. I was speechless, a French-Canadian guy, head of a major law firm. You never can tell.

This was my first visit to Wales. Abersoch is on the south coast of the Llŷn Peninsula. An absolutely magical place. Kind of surreal, British, with warm weather, palm trees/bushes, sandy beaches and a Mediterranean coast-line.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2010 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

srtg & UJ: hey, really struck by the similarities...interesting read for sure; had the same response to ARose.

Wonder how many of us old farts did the same sequence: "stopped about mid 80s", and then started again, briefly with his death, but not really until the past five yrs or so with advent of the web/forum/etc.?

And looking back, I now realize where ALL my DEAD shirts went: many of you know I have three boys. In family pics from 80s and 90s, there are my shirts! They are "capes" for little action heros in the back yard (everyone that's had/has a boy can relate, I assume: you use a large T to form a cape on a small body...tie arms around shoulders, and it flaps behind as they run with swords though you told them not to, and what better "pirate" symbol than some skull thingy, eh?).

EDIT: oh yeah, the bandmates biz helps; the DEAD cover band guys were a big part of our group in the mid 70s, and the lead/bass players and most of us still keep in touch...by the way, those guys usually pick 72/73 as the "best".

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 20, 2010 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

say hey to another Uncle John...

I too am struck by the similarities with WT and AR... stopped in the 80s while raising kids, etc., but became involved again when I discovered this forum and great podcasts on i-Tunes. I'm always amazed that there is still ongoing interest in a band that began almost half a century ago. To compare that to my era growing up in the 50s - 60s, that would be like listening to the Charleston during the Prohibition era, instead of Dylan and the Beatles.

As to the shirts - most of mine disintegrated or shrunk - I have one that I may get framed, it now would fit a 7 yr old. Instead, my interest has been rekindled, my wife has bought me some new GD shirts, I've picked up the guitar again (after 25 years, god my hands are soft) with the express desire to play some GD tunes. With age comes wisdom - now I know that I don't know so much, there's always something of interest here.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 20, 2010 10:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

UJ, that was a really touching story about Stella Blue. Quite a vivid image ... Thanks for sharing it.

WT: Old fart? Speak for yourself! Remember: Men perspire, horses sweat, women glow; men are old farts, women are 29. Or "of a certain age."

Your guys made capes of your shirts, my kid made castle battlements of my CDs. Now that's really an act of war. Fortunately, he's keen on finding good Dark Stars right now. So that's promising. I just have to remember not to push. Maybe I should tell him Dark Star is AWFUL.

And yeah, sometimes I do the math and make the comparisons, and it truly is amazing that people are still drawn to this band. When we were in college, who listened to Benny Goodman? OK, I actually did, but still. That would be like Jerry and the Gang, in the 60s, listening to music from the 1920s. Oh, right, they did. Hmmm. I might need to amend this comment to say that, if music is good, some people do tend to find it ...





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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 20, 2010 10:20pm
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What did your friends and neighbors say when you cranked ol' Benny up ?
I like a touch of Benny , but that's a tough crowd I would imagine .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 20, 2010 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

Well, neighbors in my college dorm, LOL ... I'm sure they were glad when it was Benny Goodman and not Pere Ubu or Philip Glass or King Crimson-psychedelic-60s-anything or of course the Dead, AGAIN. Or Yoko Ono. She was good for annoying the frat boys across the way.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 20, 2010 11:09pm
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I don't know what it is about Ms. Ono , but she seems to exude her own special brand of annoyance for men . ( That sounds like a perfume , another marketing opportunity , now we're thinking !)
It's a art , really .
Like her singing .

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 18, 2010 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

I know 4 that I can think of offhand, but out of consideration for them, I won't describe how I know them. I know a fifth that has a best-of CD and has played it in my presence, and a sixth that has listened to most of the 5-21-74 Playin' in the Band without appearing to mind.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 18, 2010 6:02pm
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RR: I take by "like" you mean something much less restrictive than being one of "us", right? IE, I know NO one that is so rabid that they come here, BUT I know a good number that say, have seen them 5 or more times, have many albums, and say, at least 20 or so live shows...Or, do you mean: "just wouldn't turn them off if they came on the radio"? Know a few of their tunes, etc.,? That would be a much larger number. For those of the intermediate category, five or more shows, etc., for me it's 3 siblings; two sons (saw "post JG lineups"); and more than 20 friends...all geezers like me from the 70s/80s era show wise.

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Sep 18, 2010 6:14pm
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I guess basically anyone who has some shows/albums and listens to them with some regularity. If they've seen the Dead or some incarnation then its a bonus.


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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 19, 2010 12:47pm
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Just had to add: again, "rabid like me/visiting the Forum/more than 50 live shows on CDs" category = ZERO.

Lets call that "level one"; but, "level two", the "few shows/some albums/some live shows on CDs" is again, over 20 incld family and friends. Truth is, almost all of them owe this sad condition to me, having been the one that forced them to hear them til it "took" or they stopped coming round...seriously. It was all I did in the 70s. Well, okay, I wasn't that obnoxious, but kinda.

However, for "level three", just wouldn't turn off the radio if they came on, or say "hmmm, THIS is the DEAD? Not bad" to me now and then, I'd say it's easily 150 or so...now, most of those are not "close friends" but you get the idea.

I am just posting because the more I thought about it, the more I realized that all thru my life, playing it at every "function" at my home (parties, dinners, slideshows, whatever), I've had the chance to see how many respond (over a 40 yr period), and what NOW surprises me is to realize I could always, almost absolutely, play some tune for someone that would get them to say "not bad...like this a lot more than I thought I would".

It's really a bigger number than I thought it would be if you follow...again, that "third level". Might be some were "just being nice" but not many.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 19, 2010 10:49pm
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Yeah, and I've also been surprised at how many people will respond to an offhand comment or in-joke with at least some kind of recognition. Sometimes I've known people for years, never thought they even heard the band, and then I'll say something offhand and they'll be way more positive or somewhere between your "second" and "third level." Or it'll turn out they regularly turn on the Sirius Dead channel. Or something like that.

I also think there are a fair number of "closeted hardcore Deadheads." I mean, it's not college; nobody starts a conversation at the kid's playground or at an office meeting by asking about favorite bands. And few of us run around in tie-dyed Dead t-shirts anymore.

Here's a funny and illustrative story. A few months ago, I went to the office of a colleague I'd known slightly for years -- suit and tie, short hair, very academic -- and dang if it wasn't a veritable shrine. Band photos, Jerry doll, framed tickets. Whoda thunk? But the context was a meeting with a bunch of other folks, so I just had the chance to say something offhand about liking the decor; we said a few things but then never had a chance to talk more before I moved. So undoubtedly he's classified me as what you'd call maybe third-level, casual fan ...

There's also the little matter of, well, cycles in our lives. Even before Jerry died, I went up and down in the number of shows I'd see, etc, based on all kinds of things in my life. (Was my boyfriend at the time into the Dead? Did they even come around? Was I more into, say, the art scene than the hippie scene? Whatever.)

And then, well, Jerry died. How many of us really paid a lot of attention after that? Honestly, I had my DPs and other official releases and all, but I wasn't running around after DSO or part of a tape trading group. I wish I'd paid more attention to Phil and Friends, for instance, but I didn't. It wasn't until I discovered the archives a few years back that I really went into a feeding frenzy, LOL.

So if you happened to meet me in, say, 2003, it might have taken quite a while before we'd have connected on that level. And I have a feeling there are lots of folks I've run into over the years who are precisely the same way. Cycling up and down in their level of interest, or not particularly overt (what with it not being college anymore), or whatever.

Hence, perhaps, the high number of folks here who mentioned siblings among the Deadheads they know. Yeah. Of course. Because you don't lose touch with siblings (the way I've lost touch with exes I used to go to shows with, and have no idea now whether they still tape trade, etc) and because the subject might actually come up!!!



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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2010 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count (closeted Heads)

Hmmm--we really had similar experiences...life paths...whatever. IE, from about 85 to 95, you would've had a hard time recognizing me, but anyone that got to know me knew I was one (I talk a lot...it comes up, one way or another fast). Then, the day he died, I put the old famous photo of JG and MG from 67 on my office door, and then a few yrs later, the kids gave me a DEAD poster and it's on the lab door, and now, I have a wall of CDs, tastefully arrayed, in the living rom. So, if you see me anywhere in my domain, you can't avoid detecting it...

Funny thing is, NO one ever says anything. Only one person has known who JG and MG are...I've asked maybe 30 times.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 20, 2010 11:34am
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Ha! I have a SYF head cover on my (golf)driver. I've been sporting it for a few years now. Exactly 1 person has made mention of it on the course. He had been to a few shows with his brother. Yep, I think people are afraid to ask. Which I understand. I'm not about to ask a trekkie about the convention. It would burn off both my ears!

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Poster: deadmax Date: Sep 18, 2010 8:10pm
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I know a few people that like them but hardly ever see them. Just acquaintances really. Without you guys and some other boards I'd have no one to talk to about this stuff. Sad, but I'm grateful for what I've got.

It's been nice having you guys around.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Sep 19, 2010 6:48am
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In high school, when I really found the music (or the music found me), I realized that no one was quite as singularly obsessed w/ the Dead as I was. In other words, my friends all got tired of hearing me talk about it.

15 years later, I have one very close friend who really appreciates the Dead and Jerry stuff I play for him, and lately he's been asking for suggestions. I also have a few friends who are pretty hardcore (one of them toured quite a bit in the 90s, another has some pretty serious Dead tattoos) but I don't see them as much as I'd like to and we really don't discuss the Dead too much when we do hang out.

At the local Borders yesterday I saw this dude looking at the GD selection. He picked up Terrapin '77 and I casually said "That's a good one." Apparently I crossed some sort of line (never talk to strangers, right?) because he just said "Really?" (sarcastically) and kept on shopping as if I didn't exist. He did end up buying some Dead, although I didn't catch what it was.

Takes all kinds.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2010 6:41am
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That was me; I was thinking of ditching the Terrapin in the Michael Jackson bin but thought too many might see it there. Then you stepped up and I had a panic attack.

However, the sarcasm was sincere.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Sep 20, 2010 6:57am
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Wow, that was you? I know a good specialist if you ever want that horrible growth on yr face removed...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 20, 2010 7:25am
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Damn; thought you only caught my good side.

Hmmm, nobody chime in with "but you weren't bending over", k?

EDIT: ice9: just in case you missed it, this was only funny if you saw/read the big "TS as melodrama" fight some many months ago here at the Forum. No offence whatsoever as to your enjoyment of it...seriously.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Sep 20, 2010 8:08am
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Forget it, I found it. Good one! I like "Terrapin Station" just fine, but some of it does feel a little forced.

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Poster: pequastogy Date: Sep 19, 2010 6:28pm
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I run into them all the time. I was wearing a dead shirt shopping with my son for my wife's birthday yesterday and this guy just starts rapping about then and now and he's shopping with his wife and kid and we're talking dead and everyone's happy.

We're everywhere I go.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 20, 2010 4:55am
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That's the thing, you've gotta advertise. A bumper sticker or poster in the office etc. - if you "out" yourself, more deadheads will turn up.

In my case, only a couple of people in my current life, one of whom was someone I worked with in my last job at a big publishing company a few years ago. One day I was standing waiting for something at the printer and I mumbled/sang a line or two of Ramblin' Rose. A young guy in a nearby cubicle leapt to his feet and demanded "What are you singing?!" He turned out to be one of those (much maligned in these parts) young folk who attended shows in the late 80's and 90's, and thought they were great. We became friends. But even he thinks I'm a bit out of control with this.

From the past, a circle of college friends, some of whom I'm still in touch with, really only one of whom was the fanatical deadhead though he tried his best to indoctrinate us fully. Little did he know at the time it would take close to 30 years for it to "take" with me.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 20, 2010 5:58am
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I have to remember that. They sell GD t-shirts on Freak Street here. (Yes, that's the official name of the old hippie street from the 60s.) Should I get one and wear it around? It would seem there must be folks hanging around ... certainly there are enough hippie skirts in the shops to clothe all the extras in any theoretical movie about Jerry and the Gang ...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 19, 2010 7:51am
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I know a a few Heads, not too many where I live . Most of my friends, got on board the New Wave thing when it happened, so my love of the Dead, makes me a sort of throwback . My love of Classical, and Jazz, makes me a snob, and my love of Anime , makes me a sort of "pervert" ...
As for "Heads", I usually get on with the hardcore collectors ( like most of you here ). Since I don't get high, it puts me at arms length from many "Deadheads ", though they are always nice .
As some of you know , I sold Classical MUsic for 24 years, and you should have seen the look on some of my customers faces , when I told them I saw the Dead 50+ times,... oh, and never smokes pot ! ( which really floors them, because, in so many peoples minds , the only reason you would see the Dead was to get stoned ). Being a sober Deadhead was rare as "a jewish bull-rider, in Arkansas ".

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 18, 2010 7:17pm
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Occasionally I come across people who like the Dead, meaning they don't mind listening to a show, might even have some old tapes. Casual fans, in my book....but then, to me, almost all Dead fans look like casual passersby! But that's the way most people are with music they like - hunting to find rarities, fanatical completism & the obsessive collecting bug aren't universal (I remind myself...)

As far as general popularity, according to one source the Dead have sold 15 million albums since '91....about the same number as Hendrix. Of course, with the Dead, you have to split that between a LOT of albums....but that's still plenty of casual fans, they're not too rare.
Folks here on the Archive are a minority of the minority. The most popular shows here have about 600,000 'downloads'....which is about 0.2% of the US population, to make one comparison. (Glancing at youtube, there are a couple popular Dead songs with over a million views, but after that the view-count drops precipitously from about 700,000...that's all the people who want to watch a 1969 St Stephen!)
And the few souls who are actually interested enough to follow a discussion on a Dead message forum...well, we're statistically negligible!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 18, 2010 7:32pm
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Yes--statistically speaking, we don't exist.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 19, 2010 9:00pm
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True. And yet the archive has a whole section devoted to the Dead. Sirius has a Dead channel (and it manages to survive even though I, for one, never had Sirius.) The Facebook "friends" ... well, I haven't friended them, so make that, what, 500,001?

Given that Jerry has been gone for 15 years now, it's truly amazing that the Dead bus keeps on rattling along and even drawing new folks to hop on board. If only a small percentage are "rabid fans" ... well, how many rabid fans/tourheads etc were there ever, really? A lot compared to other bands, sure. But not a lot compared to the numbers at the shows. I expect that percentage still more or less holds.

As for the population at large ... seriously, I never remember the Dead being really "hip." C'mon! Not even in the Touchhead, mega-Dead era. It was just big compared to what came before. It looked like a lot to US. But really, Deadheads were always just a microscopic minority, and unless you were really into tie dye, a rather un-hip minority at that :-) So, the more things change, the more they remain the same ...

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 18, 2010 4:29pm
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My Girlfriend likes Widespread Panic, String Cheese Incident and Phish. She refers to the GD as That Dead Band, meaning in fact they Are All Dead and no longer among the living, to which she finds great humor at my expense...

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Poster: Uncle_John Date: Sep 19, 2010 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

From the late 70's to the late 80's - my college years - I had an ever-evolving group of several dozen Deadhead friends. Tour rats, tape collectors, and the like. (No wonder I spent the better part of 10 years in college.)

My wife went to a few shows with me during the latter part of that period, and enjoyed them. She still likes to listen some, but prefers relatively concise early '70's rockers to the more spacey stuff.

When we moved to small-town Michigan we met exactly one couple into the dead. Then they moved away. In the early '90's I had a college kid who worked for me in the summers and went to a few shows with his friends - mostly for the party, but we spent quite a few afternoons talking about the Dead. (I went to my last show in '87, and didn't listen to them much for the next 10 years or so.)

I started a new job in August of '95. Driving through Chicago to get to the new job at a University in Wisconsin, WXRT was playing a kick-ass set of Dead and JGB. I was digging it - until the announcer came on the air to tell me Jerry had died that morning. The next day (first day at the new job) I went to get a parking sticker and cut through the gym on the way back to my office. Some guy was sweeping the gym floor and with Stella Blue just cranked and screaming on the PA. I stopped in my tracks and stayed to listen to the rest of the song. We gave each other a big hug with tears streaming - and I had to go. No words.

Since then, I discovered the Archive early on (tipped off by a professor) and re-engaged with the Dead in a big way. At the moment, I could probably name a dozen or so fairly serious Deadheads I interact with regularly - those serious enough to identify the decade of a random song with reasonable certainty. Another couple dozen who are less serious, or who are only acquaintances. Of all those, roughly half are college students - people who were little kids when Jerry died.

So, I'm fortunate to be able to "talk Dead" on a regular basis and swap shows and provide the occasional "starter pack" of shows for young newbies.

Nonetheless, my circle of Deadhead friends represents roughly 0.005% of the population of this particular college town, and I'd be surprised if the total number of Deadheads here (as defined by WT's Level 2) exceeds 0.1%. I know a couple of other "Level 1's", (Regularly visit GD discussion groups [but not this one], have a substantial collection, go to Further shows, etc.) but I'd have to admit that I'm probably more into it than anyone else I know personally - although my listening habits and depth of knowledge pale in comparison to some folks here.

But that's why I keep coming here - I learn something with almost every visit.

Thanks,
- John

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Poster: He Live's Date: Sep 18, 2010 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Head Count

how many do i know.... in what sense?

either a couple, or a couple million, or a couple times a couple times a million.